Arguements against sacking Poyet

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Sweeper said:
It's not like - it's spot on.
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You think that we on here know lots abou Brighton players and would want them signed?
I reckon most people n here do NOT want to sign from lower leagues to be honest.
 


The Exile said:
I'm not going to spend half my life regurgitating the same list of players. They were named yesterday on another thread. The very fact that everyone wants to pretend they don't know who we're talking about sums the whole thing up. It's decided - it's all the manager's fault and the idea anyone else could be involved is too troublesome to think about. The hive mind has spoken and round we go again, none the wiser as to the real problem. Roll on twelve months time when we do all this again.



Did it yesterday. Now scuttle off and stick me on ignore as per usual.
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Just a link to your post would be good.

I've had a brief look but couldn't see any list.
 
not spavin said:
Pulis walked because of lack of investment, Monk walked into a well run club, Burnley are below us (only just, granted).

I'm not pro-Poyet. My point is that if we sack him and think our problems are over, we're kidding ourselves. I'd rather keep Poyet and turn the focus on the rest of the set up, than sack him and pretend everything's great.
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Fair Doos.

They've still done well with what I would call a limited budget, which is what we seem to be operating under.

The problem is, what if we get dragged in to this relegation zone and do go down? Even at Brighton they followed a pretty rigid system, often grinding out results. Would we be guaranteed to come back up?

I'm just not convinced he's all that.
 
dirty bristow said:
Because they are often akin to Bridcutt and Buckley
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Decent squad players for struggling premier league sides? Neither has pulled up trees but both have contributed at times. Bridcutt has certainly contributed more than the bloke we signed from the champions of England. To suggest that you can pre-judge a player based on what league he plays in is ridiculously short-sighted, and is the sort of view that explains how a manager can do what poyet has done here and still somehow be under pressure,
 
not spavin said:
Those are fair points.

However, there's a wider issue that the failure of Bridcutt and Buckley are so important - signing like that should be about bolstering the squad, not the first team.

What really sticks in the craw is Congerton fellating himself on SAFC.com about the panic signing of Defoe on a 3.5 year contract. He should be embarrassed about his work so far, as should anyone who have had a hand in our player recruitment. That includes Poyet.

I don't know if Poyet is any good, but what I do know is that a new manager will have to work with a set of players that were assembled largely at random, and mainly on the cheap. And, on the rare occasions we've spent money, we've had out eyes taken out by the selling club. £24m for Johnson and Rodwell. £30m+ for Altidore, Graham and Fletcher. I can't think of a team that's worse in the market than us - a fact compounded by our non-producing academy. We're badly staffed throughout the club imo. Perhaps because the focus has been on weird international partnerships that seem to have nothing whatsoever with actual football.

We could sack Poyet tomorrow, and be back here again this time next year.
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Think our biggest miss since we came up has been transfers not the way we try to play...
 
We are not bottom 3. We are in the FA cup. We have just plugged a big hole in our team who will come good after a couple of games and could turn some of the draws into wins. It is the middle of the transfer window. There are no guarantees the next guy will do better. There are a few reasons
 
Sweeper said:
Decent squad players for struggling premier league sides? Neither has pulled up trees but both have contributed at times. Bridcutt has certainly contributed more than the bloke we signed from the champions of England. To suggest that you can pre-judge a player based on what league he plays in is ridiculously short-sighted, and is the sort of view that explains how a manager can do what poyet has done here and still somehow be under pressure,
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It is often a decent parameter though.
Bridcutt is not up to it.
 
because we need Defoe to score the goals to keep us up and he is only here because of Poyet (share the same agent). he won't be happy if Poyet leaves.

he will change his tactics sooner or later and prove like he did last season that he is decent manager.
 
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Deano said:
You did. Cattermole, Johnson, Larsson, O'Shea, Brown. Along with Defoe and Pantilimon, five of our best players. Not quite sure why you're picking on them when the problem clearly lies elsewhere
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The point here is that our best players only turn up half the time. The worst even less. When they do turn up they're perfectly decent, but it doesn't happen often enough and they're not going to inspire anyone to do better when they can't motivate themselves to improve the ratio of decent/good performances to bad. They are an integral part of the problem and unfortunately the most difficult part to solve given our financial constraints.
 
Sacking Poyet only a few games after he was given Defoe would be showing a shocking lack of faith. I have not seen a single person suggest a decent alternative to Poyet. Some fans would prefer us just to sack a manager so they can stop being so angry. The anger is their problem, patience is a virtue, and patience is the least Poyet deserves. If we don't back him then we are back in the same mess as we were in before. I really doubt we would be able to bring in a manager with the proper credentials to move us forward. It would be a short-term solution, and there is no guarantee it would work. In fact, bringing in a new manager this late in the season has repeatedly been proven to be detrimental to teams fighting relegation.
 
The Exile said:
The point here is that our best players only turn up half the time. The worst even less. When they do turn up they're perfectly decent, but it doesn't happen often enough and they're not going to inspire anyone to do better when they can't motivate themselves to improve the ratio of decent/good performances to bad. They are an integral part of the problem and unfortunately the most difficult part to solve given our financial constraints.
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Am I reading this right then... you suggesting that our fundamental problem is that our five best players are in some bizarre way incapable of being good enough often enough, and so, despite the fact that they are our best players, they entirely hamstring the club and due to their massive wages prevent Poyet from being able to improve the playing squad? And therefore, by deduction, Poyet's inability to get good performances and results out of the squad isn't actually his fault at all??

It's original, I'll give you that... Give me a nod the next time anyone connected with the game of professional football says the same thing
 
Deano said:
Am I reading this right then... you suggesting that our fundamental problem is that our five best players are in some bizarre way incapable of being good enough often enough, and so, despite the fact that they are our best players, they entirely hamstring the club and due to their massive wages prevent Poyet from being able to improve the playing squad? And therefore, by deduction, Poyet's inability to get good performances and results out of the squad isn't actually his fault at all??

It's original, I'll give you that... Give me a nod the next time anyone connected with the game of professional football says the same thing
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brilliant :lol:
 
I keep hearing the same dross about "we aren't top ten yet". The problem is there's no signs of improvement. When guys first came I remember commenting that we had a manager at least with a system and a style and you could see it developing. What happened? We don't pass the ball around with any regularity, it's slow, ponderous and far too safe. The players we've signed are generally poor. Bridcutt, Buckley, Alvarez, Coates, rodwell the worst of the bunch. To top it off we sign Defoe and then poyet says we're trying different things to fit him into the side. Is he seriously saying we signed the guy with no idea how to use him? It's just Groundhog Day supporting this club. Ffs be shit but at least try and score goals!
 
The Exile said:
The point here is that our best players only turn up half the time. The worst even less. When they do turn up they're perfectly decent, but it doesn't happen often enough and they're not going to inspire anyone to do better when they can't motivate themselves to improve the ratio of decent/good performances to bad. They are an integral part of the problem and unfortunately the most difficult part to solve given our financial constraints.
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Catts, Seb, O'Shea & Johnson have been 4 our best players for the past 12 months...
 
Crammy Mackem said:
Fair Doos.

They've still done well with what I would call a limited budget, which is what we seem to be operating under.

The problem is, what if we get dragged in to this relegation zone and do go down? Even at Brighton they followed a pretty rigid system, often grinding out results. Would we be guaranteed to come back up?

I'm just not convinced he's all that.
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Me neither - we've seen spells of good under Poyet and an awful lot of shite.

Just not sure we'd be any better under any other manager. Maybe I'm wrong, and maybe Poyet has a bigger hand in our transfers than I think.
 
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