Expect the cinema to be shut in a year now then
Living Wage - be careful what you wish for!
- Thread starter Gonzo Mackem
- Start date
- Status
WASTID
Striker
StripedPaddy
Winger
Less of the personal abuse,my friend.
RTRsBM
Striker
I can assure you I'm not your friend and it was a direct response to being called a 'dense person', keep up at the back.
K
kensplace
Guest
I take it the tosser that said that will be cutting his wages to 8.80 an hour then, if thats what it takes to pay people properly so they work better.
monkeytassle
Striker
I doubt it.
K
kensplace
Guest
Investment is a bad argument to rely on, as it could and should be argued that once someone has invested they expect to be paid back.
Usually it wont take that long for an investor to be paid back, once the company is profitable they often grow.
Once an investor has had his original investment paid back they then should expect some profit.
But to expect way more than the very person doing the work that keeps the currently profitable company going? No. thats wrong.
At this point the investor is no longer needed, they have also been repaid in full and made a profit out of it.
The workers on the other hand are needed, and should be looked after.
The investor at this point, taking a lions share, is just a leech.
That argument was pulled to try to stop the national minimum wage, people said all hell would break loose, inflation would go through the roof, other workers wages would have to rise, everyone would go bankrupt, zombies would eat your grandmother etc.
Didnt happen though.
you would be suprised....
correct.
That is capatalism.
A race to the bottom for everyone apart from the one ultimate winner.
At this rate it will probably be walmart or someone.
Last edited by a moderator:
monkeytassle
Striker
it isn't capitalism, it's human nature.
K
kensplace
Guest
Do you think they should be paid properly?
Or do you think they should just struggle?
Cinemas could compete, they just need drop teh prices of sweets etc and drop ticket prices.
Its way to expensive to go to the cinema often these days unless you are in a reasonably cushy job or have a working partner.
They overcharge, which hurts their income imo.
force companies to pay a liveable wage, ie up min wage.
All the arguments you can use against it have been done to death and proven wrong - as they have been used before to try to stop min wage in the first place.
Its not everyones human nature, just c unts.
Last edited by a moderator:
monkeytassle
Striker
you want to think that but it's just not true.
K
kensplace
Guest
No its a fact.
Although the majority of the world would agree with you, not everyone puts themselves above everything else. We are not all tories/labour/greedy.
monkeytassle
Striker
humans are. there are individuals of course who are not but as a species I think we are. forget political views and look at history.
K
kensplace
Guest
Ah yes, as a species humans in general are like that, your right in that way.
But not all humans are human so to speak, you get the odd outcasts that give a damn about others.
They tend to get crucified one way or another though...
monkeytassle
Striker
right so it's not the game it's the players in this instance. humans will always piss on someone else for a quid.
K
kensplace
Guest
All humans will probably piss on someone else often without realising it.
By typing this on a laptop I have probably paid money to a company that purchased parts made at foxconn where people get paid a pittance and netts are installed to try to stop suicides....
But capatalism is designed to piss on people.
Its very concept - the best win, means everyone HAS to piss on everyone.
Its a flawed concept that will always ensure no one wins long term.
ouro
Striker
StripedPaddy
Winger
Hmmm you sound like one of those lads who would thrive in Soviet Union land.
State does everything, dominant colour grey, you don't mind being miserable because everyone else is equally miserable.
The fact that people want to better themselves, get qualifications,increase their job options ,take initiatives,is not a crime, mate.
Looks like a fair few aficionados of these august pages have some difficulty with that concept.
Just saw this. Good result! Nice to see the threat of bad PR has seen senior management sort it out. Or maybe just do it on the sly.
AndrewP
Striker
This argument (the one I'm using) was never used for the national minimum wage. NMW was always going to be well below £5, I know people played out Armageddon situations and I laughed at them at the time. What I'm talking about though, is introducing a meaningful living wage is impossible if it's supposed to negate the need for in work benefits. In my example, someone already earning £16 per hour would be over £500 per month worse if the living wage was set at £16 per hour and in work benefits were removed as a result.
K
kensplace
Guest
Your thinking of that dreamland capatalism, where thats actually true for everyone.
In the real world, you might just find that some people destroy other people - why - because they actually did what you said and end up a threat to others.
Those others dont like being put at risk so do all they can to fuck other peoples lives up.
On top of that you have the fact the system is rigged, and the rich tend to get better education to start with.
On top of that yo get the fact that those who take initiatives tend to get their ideas stolen by people with more money or power.
On top of that you will find that many people find it acceptable to lie about qualifications to get jobs.
etc.
Out of interest, why would someone need benefits if they are getting 16 pounds per hour?
- Status
