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Report back to senior officers that he was involved in a sexual relationship and siring progeny with an enemy of the state?
Undercover Copper has child with lass he's spying on
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Report back to senior officers that he was involved in a sexual relationship and siring progeny with an enemy of the state?
El Matador
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Infiltration or impregnation ?
Have a bairn and fuck off ? All in the line of duty though.
Tadger
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Having read the story I accept it perhaps wasn't necessary to maintain such a façade for the sake of infiltrating the ALF but undercover coppers have to go worse than father children to maintain cover.
You cant judge them as bobbies on the beat, they're in a different world.
El Matador
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Still blaming the victim eh Duffy.
It seems the Met has started taking some sort of responsibility for their actions which is why they are starting to pay out huge sums of money to reflect some of the damage they have caused.
Deleted User 2893
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Not blaming the victim at all, just think there is culpability on both parts, no one forced her to do anything
El Matador
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Do you have the same attitude to all the victims of fraud, deceit and con that you come across in your work ?
itscoldinhere
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He could of wore blob and used his lying skills to spin a yarn about not wanting children maybe ?
Deleted User 2893
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No, generally victims of fraud are vulnerable, elderly, not capable of making rational decisions.
Cant you see how this woman needs to take some responsibility?
---Nemo---
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If you believe there is culpability on her part you are in fact blaming the victim. It's entirely possible to be a victim without being forced to do something. Are you really a Police officer?
Deleted User 2893
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I'm sure there has been no crime committed, do you think her dropping her knickers for someone who showed her a bit attention makes it all the blokes fault?
Duff, I usually find you to be a decent poster but you are way off the line on this one.
This woman thought she was in a loving relationship. This wasn't "dropping her knickers" for some attention. She was deceived.
Also on your point about fraud above - so it's only fraud if the victim is elderly or incapable or vulnerable? I musty remember that when I carry out fraud at work and steal millions of pounds. It's not really fraud.
No. In the same way the rape victims shouldn't take responsibility for being raped, this woman should take no responsibility for being conned.
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unless the met told the officer to shag her, then id say its not culpable at all
absolutely pig sick of tax payers money being lashed out because people dont take responsibility for their own actions.. the copper should be paying..
same with nhs, police, and even the london riots
Deleted User 2893
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You are moving the goal posts on a massive scale with that comment hells
Edinburgh Black Cat
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Sounds like he's been rumbled.
---Nemo---
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Nah, I'm well up for subsidising years of extra marital sex sessions for amoral scumbags if it means preserving state security.
Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying this woman was raped at all. I'm saying that she was a victim. And we don't blame victims.
To be honest, no ones talked about the copper yet. I'm sure there's some psychological damage there as well. I'm sure walking away from your two year old son isn't easy either.
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When an application is made to use any covert technique, be it technical equipment, surveillance or using u/c operatives, a set if criteria has to be applied to determine whether its justifiable , proportionate and reasonable. As part of the risk assessment, one of the examinations is whether what you want to do has any ethical imications which have to be weighed against the activity your investigating. Eg covert activity that ethically, could be justified to stop a bomber might not be justifiable to use in a less serious situation. That's today mind. Apply this criteria to this case and it wouldn't be authorised today on an ethical basis and a fair few other grounds too.
Would shacking up & having a kid with one of those under surveillance be included in the risk assessment though?
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It's an ongoing process and when the subject gets close to the asset, it would be reviewed. I'd suggest when it gets to the point of a physical relationship, it needs to be a serious matter being investigated for it to be allowed to continue.
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