elusive 6 pack and v lines

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prica's crown

prica's crown

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knees seemed to have disintegrated in recent months after my spell of playing far too much footy than i should be!

When i was injured ive put on a bit weight, still fairly lean but looking more like id end up a fat assed dad type than the drema 6 pack and V lines!

I have sit up bench and weights in loft room and pull up bar, what are the best routines to lose a bit weight and get some definition?
 


prica's crown said:
knees seemed to have disintegrated in recent months after my spell of playing far too much footy than i should be!

When i was injured ive put on a bit weight, still fairly lean but looking more like id end up a fat assed dad type than the drema 6 pack and V lines!

I have sit up bench and weights in loft room and pull up bar, what are the best routines to lose a bit weight and get some definition?
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To get the v's or obliques as us sophisticated people call them you have to eat a clean as fuck diet, first and foremost. Like, bread gahn, bacon gahn, white carbs gahn, sugar gahn, having fun gaaaahhhn, no food 3 hours before bedtime, drink shit-loads of water, visit Nandos and update your facebook status daily etc. If you nail this and do weights 3-5 times a week, 45-60 minutes cardio alternated with HIIT and abs, everyday, you will succeed.
 
Thurston said:
To get the v's or obliques as us sophisticated people call them you have to eat a clean as fuck diet, first and foremost. Like, bread gahn, bacon gahn, white carbs gahn, sugar gahn, having fun gaaaahhhn, no food 3 hours before bedtime, drink shit-loads of water, visit Nandos and update your facebook status daily etc. If you nail this and do weights 3-5 times a week, 45-60 minutes cardio alternated with HIIT and abs, everyday, you will succeed.
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Russian twists help iirc.

I have canny visible obliques and I loves me bacon sarnies.

Also, sorry mate but there's some serious brosciences there re: eating at bed time.
 
Charmless Man said:
Russian twists help iirc.

I have canny visible obliques and I loves me bacon sarnies.

Also, sorry mate but there's some serious brosciences there re: eating at bed time.
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Yea I know, I generally find it doesn't make a great deal of difference. In many respects I always find personally it's better to have a good meal full of protein and fats before bed like two sirloin steaks and/or eggs or something, but when I'm going for the ripped abs, I like to practise bro-science fastidiously. :lol:

Everything I know about ab workouts I learned from Arnold's Encyclopedia of Modern Bodybuilding. Anything less than ten minutes of roman chairs, several hundred crunches and absurd hanging twists for obliques is for wimps.
 
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Thurston said:
To get the v's or obliques as us sophisticated people call them you have to eat a clean as fuck diet, first and foremost. Like, bread gahn, bacon gahn, white carbs gahn, sugar gahn, having fun gaaaahhhn, no food 3 hours before bedtime, drink shit-loads of water, visit Nandos and update your facebook status daily etc. If you nail this and do weights 3-5 times a week, 45-60 minutes cardio alternated with HIIT and abs, everyday, you will succeed.
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I read this post seriously at first and was about to facepalm :lol:
 
Titus said:
I read this post seriously at first and was about to facepalm :lol:
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:lol: considering the amount of stuff I read on training and nutrition, I always laugh to myself when I find abit bruh-science creeping in.

I've always tended to eat and train in blocks for strength/speed/sport-specific so the abs have been a by-product of the training rather than the goal. Most of the foods I avoid these days are because of their 'domino' effect they have on me from experience, leading into ruinous binge-eating.
 
Thurston said:
:lol: considering the amount of stuff I read on training and nutrition, I always laugh to myself when I find abit bruh-science creeping in.

I've always tended to eat and train in blocks for strength/speed/sport-specific so the abs have been a by-product of the training rather than the goal. Most of the foods I avoid these days are because of their 'domino' effect they have on me from experience, leading into ruinous binge-eating.
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Best cut down the daily eggs, beans and bacon at work.....
 
prica's crown said:
Best cut down the daily eggs, beans and bacon at work.....
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Beans due the amount of sugar, additives and preservatives in the typical tin of Heinz, yes. Definitely wouldn't cut out the eggs. Always found that a couple of eggs a day have aided decent amounts of fat loss. I don't even bother getting rid of the yolk. Plus the cholesterol is good for your testosterone levels.
 
Thurston said:
Beans due the amount of sugar, additives and preservatives in the typical tin of Heinz, yes. Definitely wouldn't cut out the eggs. Always found that a couple of eggs a day have aided decent amounts of fat loss. I don't even bother getting rid of the yolk. Plus the cholesterol is good for your testosterone levels.
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always tried to justify the fry ups with the beans/egg= protein logic, same mentality as having a KFC for protein and thinking "ah well it has lettuce in it"

Maybe a few eggs on wholemeal bread is better, will just have the 1 fry up a week after weds footy when im shattered

or i could invest in surgery like this...

http://hoppingtomatoredface.blogspot.co.uk/2011/11/fat-abs-and-exercise-weirdos.html
 
Thurston said:
Beans due the amount of sugar, additives and preservatives in the typical tin of Heinz, yes. Definitely wouldn't cut out the eggs. Always found that a couple of eggs a day have aided decent amounts of fat loss. I don't even bother getting rid of the yolk. Plus the cholesterol is good for your testosterone levels.
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Unless he's on statins dietary cholesterol won't have much effect on his steroid production I wouldn't have thought.
 
prica's crown said:
always tried to justify the fry ups with the beans/egg= protein logic, same mentality as having a KFC for protein and thinking "ah well it has lettuce in it"

Maybe a few eggs on wholemeal bread is better, will just have the 1 fry up a week after weds footy when im shattered

or i could invest in surgery like this...

http://hoppingtomatoredface.blogspot.co.uk/2011/11/fat-abs-and-exercise-weirdos.html
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I often have a couple of eggs fried in olive oil on rye or on toasted wholemeal bread. I toast it because it marginally lowers the glycemic index of the bread. I'm a total f***ing nerd when it comes to this stuff. Saying that, for what's worth I don't think there's a great deal of difference between what passes for a lot of wholemeal bread and white bread, as companies use food dyes. No problems. Fits in with my macros. Hennnnyway.

OTOH the KFC example falls short because in comparison, heavily processed, greasy, dilapidated chicken anus served with starchy preservative chips, covered in enough salt to melt an ice-cap and almost a litre of carbonated, sugary drink is a gastronomic nightmare, which could not feasibly have a place in any kind of diet. The only upside I can see is the amount of lipids in that shit will make you look like you have collagen implants in your lips like fucken Angelina Jolie. I hope this assuages any confusion.

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Unless he's on statins dietary cholesterol won't have much effect on his steroid production I wouldn't have thought.
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If you believe certain studies - especially ones funded by supplement companies - testosterone production in the average man is so low that it can only help.
 
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Thurston said:
If you believe certain studies - especially ones funded by supplement companies - testosterone production in the average man is so low that it can only help.
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But cholesterol levels in the cell are so tightly controlled all you can really do is increase the cholesterol in your blood stream which isn't good for you. (Not that this going to be much of a problem just from eating a couple of eggs for breakfast.)
 
Glycemic index is a flawed concept with no practical value. It is determined by feeding subjects an isolated food after an overnight fast. Most meals are going to be a combination of protein, carbs and fat from a variety of sources and renders it void.
 
Thurston said:
I often have a couple of eggs fried in olive oil on rye or on toasted wholemeal bread. I toast it because it marginally lowers the glycemic index of the bread. I'm a total f***ing nerd when it comes to this stuff. Saying that, for what's worth I don't think there's a great deal of difference between what passes for a lot of wholemeal bread and white bread, as companies use food dyes. No problems. Fits in with my macros. Hennnnyway.

OTOH the KFC example falls short because in comparison, heavily processed, greasy, dilapidated chicken anus served with starchy preservative chips, covered in enough salt to melt an ice-cap and almost a litre of carbonated, sugary drink is a gastronomic nightmare, which could not feasibly have a place in any kind of diet. The only upside I can see is the amount of lipids in that shit will make you look like you have collagen implants in your lips like fucken Angelina Jolie. I hope this assuages any confusion.


If you believe certain studies - especially ones funded by supplement companies - testosterone production in the average man is so low that it can only help.
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haha the bad thing is everyone knows it is true of them/maccy D's and still they shovel them down their throats.

Have you seen that news story about the size 28 woman who blames 'lack of benefits' for her size as "apples are the same price as crisps"
 
Titus said:
Glycemic index is a flawed concept with no practical value. It is determined by feeding subjects an isolated food after an overnight fast. Most meals are going to be a combination of protein, carbs and fat from a variety of sources and renders it void.
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For all intents and purposes I actually agree with you. I just find that there's a number of foods, which are medium/high on the index, and are undoubtedly very insulinemic. From my own experience I've gained significant bodyfat eating foods, such as dairy products, cold pasta, bread, and more recently sushi. However, on the other hand, I've actually lost significant weight/bodyfat all while eating bowls of heated pasta, pizza and various other 'bad' carbs quite regularly. I've long suspected the common denominator is the heat the food is served at. Which is something the GI doesn't take into account and which is why I mentioned it.

prica's crown said:
haha the bad thing is everyone knows it is true of them/maccy D's and still they shovel them down their throats.

Have you seen that news story about the size 28 woman who blames 'lack of benefits' for her size as "apples are the same price as crisps"
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Unreal. I'm actually trying to make sense of this. How do you get so fat if you can scarcely afford to eat? I've spent thousands on food, and I've never actually managed to get over 14 stone. I'm clearly missing something here. ;)
 
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Thurston said:
For all intents and purposes I actually agree with you. I just find that there's a number of foods, which are medium/high on the index, and are undoubtedly very insulinemic. From my own experience I've gained significant bodyfat eating foods, such as dairy products, cold pasta, bread, and more recently sushi. However, on the other hand, I've actually lost significant weight/bodyfat all while eating bowls of heated pasta, pizza and various other 'bad' carbs quite regularly. I've long suspected the common denominator is the heat the food is served at. Which is something the GI doesn't take into account and which is why I mentioned it.
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Insulin will not inhibit fat loss. Put it this way, some of the most shredded people in the world inject more insulin than you would ever be able to secrete 'naturally'. Some of the most shredded drug free guys eat very insulinemic foods several times per day. There's a number of reasons insulin is such a valuable drug to athletes.

http://weightology.net/weightologyweekly/?page_id=319
 
Thurston said:
For all intents and purposes I actually agree with you. I just find that there's a number of foods, which are medium/high on the index, and are undoubtedly very insulinemic. From my own experience I've gained significant bodyfat eating foods, such as dairy products, cold pasta, bread, and more recently sushi. However, on the other hand, I've actually lost significant weight/bodyfat all while eating bowls of heated pasta, pizza and various other 'bad' carbs quite regularly. I've long suspected the common denominator is the heat the food is served at. Which is something the GI doesn't take into account and which is why I mentioned it.
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Can't see why the heat the food is served at would mean anything. It'd be at 37 degrees by the time it was digested anyway.
 
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