Brexit
Winger
It wouldn't surprise me to see a lot of the stuff coming out of their conference this month to be along those line.
- Status
It wouldn't surprise me to see a lot of the stuff coming out of their conference this month to be along those line.
Lankester Merrin
Striker
And that's where the big problem lies for them.... they have grown very quickly because a number of big spending donors like Charles Wheeler abandoned the Conservatives for UKIP. They have a lot of power in the party, and they have staunch right wing views on economics - ultra thatcherites. A lot of the long standing team at the heart of UKIP have similar views. It is hard to see how they will react to a manifesto which is anything other than hardline thatchernomics. >
The moment when they reveal their actual policies for the general election will be a massive moment for the kippers - personaly I would have left it until the last possible moment and resist any pressure to reveal what the acutal policy mix will be. Look at Duncan Carswell - social libertarian economic thatcherite - how will he fit into a party that is the exact opposite policy mix?
Brexit
Winger
It will be interesting to see. In the long run they need to form some kind of identity other than eurosceptic though and stick to it rather than relying on people just being annoyed with the other parties.
yorkyexile
Striker
Why? Socialism isnt just about shelling money out to people hand over fist with no return is it?surely its about everyone taking responsibilty and everyone benefitting through it?
monkeytassle
Striker
yes absolutely but it doesn't strike me as what UKIP stands for. Their current manifesto is indecipherable rubbish though so I may be wrong.
yorkyexile
Striker
True and i dont think the smear campaign against them helps either. Instead of crying racist or owt else every chance the press gets, give them enough rope i reckon. Theyll either swing in like tarzan and save the day with good sensible workable policies or hing themsens
No, it's about some people taking responsibility and everyone else getting the benefit, isn't it?
D
Deleted member 27897
Guest
I know bits and pieces of the manifesto and its definitely not ultra-thatcherite: here are some that's been revealed so far
- removing minimum wage earners from income tax
- removing the bedroom tax
- protecting the NHS services from cuts by reducing "health tourism", reducing bureaucracy and prioritising frontline services
- local votes and referendums for local issues
- Immigrants cannot claim benefits until they've made 5 years worth of contributions.
K
Kauto Star
Guest
Sadly this
tysonstorm
Winger
The Tories said the same in 2010, funny how that one turned out.
UKIP can pledge to do all they like, a manifesto isn't legally binding, and should they come to power off the back of that manifesto they don't have to stick to it. Tis the nature of Politics.The Labour Party has betrayed those that they are meant to represent. They happily sell us short for their own interests, and know that they'll get their votes from their traditional heartlands, no matter how badly they misrepresent them. The only way to change this is to shake things up, make them work for their votes and take notice. This isn't going to happen through voting Greens, or spoiling your paper, they just laugh that off, but voting UKIP they have to sit up and question the way they are behaving. Whilst I don't see UKIP winning many seats, they will more than likely steal a load of votes off the main parties, and they'll have to question why people are turning their backs on their usual parties. Whether UKIP are any better than Labour doesn't matter, it will cause them to take a long look at themselves, the fact that no one can relate to the vast majority of Labour's career politicians and self interested policies. I don't want a UKIP government, and currently don't want a UKIP MP for my constituency, as I actually like the Labour bloke for our area (If I had one of the Labour careerists, up here for a safe seat I might feel differently mind), but I do want to rattle their cages, get it into their thick heads that people aren't happy.
And I don't know about anybody else, but all the condescending "you shouldn't vote for them, they're racist", "Have you seen their policies? they're going to make it law to rape your wife" (the bastards haven't even got a manifesto man), and all the other bollocks and lies the Tory spin machine has churned out, as well as MPs commenting that the Euro elections was just a passing protest vote, makes me want to vote UKIP all the more. They're still not listening, they have to be made to.
Last edited:
D
Deleted member 27897
Guest
The Tories said the same in 2010, funny how that one turned out.
Well the same can be said of all parties. Never forget the Labour Party whom in 1997 pledged not to introduce tuition fees and then done so a few years later on.
UKIP won't be the government next year (providing some coalition doesn't occur), but still, unlikely. Yet voting for UKIP gives legitimacy and credit to those ideas and principles, forcing the other parties who may be in power to consider them..
Hulkster
Striker
The example someone have earlier of a working man's club earlier was a good one. That is where you find your 'traditional Labour voter'.
What do you think the political priorities of people in a working mens club are?
I'll tell you what they're not: celebrating multiculturalism, gay marriage, increasing the number of female MPs, banning powerful vacuum cleaners, getting more women into the boardroom, the treatment deported terrorism suspects might get in their own country, giving prisoners the vote, transgender equality, global bloody warming.
I'm not saying all of those are bad things, but they are hardly the focus of the working class voter. The liberals at the top of the main parties obsess over things like this though, it's hardly surprising that a party that basically doesn't care about any of it and focuses on other things is starting to appeal more.
What do you think the political priorities of people in a working mens club are?
I'll tell you what they're not: celebrating multiculturalism, gay marriage, increasing the number of female MPs, banning powerful vacuum cleaners, getting more women into the boardroom, the treatment deported terrorism suspects might get in their own country, giving prisoners the vote, transgender equality, global bloody warming.
I'm not saying all of those are bad things, but they are hardly the focus of the working class voter. The liberals at the top of the main parties obsess over things like this though, it's hardly surprising that a party that basically doesn't care about any of it and focuses on other things is starting to appeal more.
Last edited:
The 3 main parties wouldn't give a toss. They're not a threat. UKIP got more votes than any other party in the recent Euro elections, more than 3 times the numbers the Greens got.
Although I do actually like the Greens and many of their policies, but if you vote them it's less likely to change owt (in my opinion)
But why? Surely if Green got the same number of votes as UKIP are getting then they'd make the same amount of noise just from the left rather than the right.
Why are UKIP getting the protest vote, rather than other parties?
The cynic in me says that they get far too much media time because they're "fun news" ie they're likely to be mentalists, therefore they are at the forefront of people's minds. If the Greens actually got the airtime that UKIP get, people might think they were a serious vote.
Don't know. Perhaps because they are, or are portrayed, as quite an angry, cut the bollocks party, which is the way a lot of people feel. That and the other main parties hate them, and it's quite nice to watch them squirm.
If the Greens could mount a serious threat, then they'd probably get more votes, but with the present voting system I can't really see that happening, unless they had a big issue they could get people angry about (like the EU). If we'd have went for the AV voting when we had the chance, then people would probably be more inclined to vote for them as it wouldn't be a waste, but lying politicians convinced everyone that getting AV would result in babies and soldiers dying.
Lankester Merrin
Striker
I am not a Ukipper (that will come as no surprise) but this is is one of the most interesting times in British politics.
If you don't mind I might reserve judgement until I have seen the rest. The line on the NHS is the kind of policy that pretty much every political party would agree with (and even the most brutal cut backs in management cost + the most pessimistic assesment of health tourism wouldn't be enough to protect it from cuts. It needs more cash urgently). The policy on income tax could be progressive or regressive depending on how it is designed. The contributions/benefits bit is interesting.
W
Wierd Valley Mackem
Guest
You are wrong
monkeytassle
Striker
which bit mate?
- Status
