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Thurston said:
Wow. How do you train for that?

The book itself reminded me alot of Lance Armstrong's autobiography, in the triumph of the human spirit (or in the Lance's case: pharmaceutical science) over adversity and the human body. Probably had the same ghost-writer.
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Just slowly up your mileage. Have averaged 50+ miles a week since christmas this year. In terms of the running ultras simply start of with something slightly longer than a marathon and open your mind to the fact that a 26.2 marathon is just an arbitrary number. With the right pacing and nutrition many multiples of that 26.2 are possible. The lad I ran the C2C with this year ran 160 miles up and down Shining Tor in the middle of a December storm last year (The Hill Ultra) ....1.45 miles up the hill, 1.45 miles down, 55 times....48 hour limit and only one to finish the race in 47hrs and 40 odd minutes. It is genuinely mind over matter. If you are fit to the point you can complete a marathon comfortably then you can finish a 50 miler at a lower pace....The 100s are a different animal and are very destructive on both mind on body. The same applies though, pacing (we started out running 9.5 min miles on flat bits and were still running 10 min miles on flat bits at 110 miles) , food and coping with lack of sleep (quite good fun waking up and realising you are still actually running lol) :lol:
 


Bagpuss said:
Just slowly up your mileage. Have averaged 50+ miles a week since christmas this year. In terms of the running ultras simply start of with something slightly longer than a marathon and open your mind to the fact that a 26.2 marathon is just an arbitrary number. With the right pacing and nutrition many multiples of that 26.2 are possible. The lad I ran the C2C with this year ran 160 miles up and down Shining Tor in the middle of a December storm last year (The Hill Ultra) ....1.45 miles up the hill, 1.45 miles down, 55 times....48 hour limit and only one to finish the race in 47hrs and 40 odd minutes. It is genuinely mind over matter. If you are fit to the point you can complete a marathon comfortably then you can finish a 50 miler at a lower pace....The 100s are a different animal and are very destructive on both mind on body. The same applies though, pacing (we started out running 9.5 min miles on flat bits and were still running 10 min miles on flat bits at 110 miles) , food and coping with lack of sleep (quite good fun waking up and realising you are still actually running lol) :lol:
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Mindblowing. Karnazes talks about starting a run from his house and timing it to co-incide with the start of a marathon so he could get some extra miles in. Unreal, man. I've only ran once or twice in the last two years. The last time I ran 14 miles at a 7:30 pace, and I couldn't walk for a few days afterwards, so on that evidence I'd be building upto it for quite a while. And it sounds ridiculous, but I really struggle to run slower than an eight minute mile, because it means slowing down my cadence, which really takes a lot out of my joints - actually one of the reasons I'm interested in doing trail running, because it'll be less severe running offroad than on concrete - so I imagine I'd probably have to work on changing my style of running for the longer distances.
 
Thurston said:
Mindblowing. Karnazes talks about starting a run from his house and timing it to co-incide with the start of a marathon so he could get some extra miles in. Unreal, man. I've only ran once or twice in the last two years. The last time I ran 14 miles at a 7:30 pace, and I couldn't walk for a few days afterwards, so on that evidence I'd be building upto it for quite a while. And it sounds ridiculous, but I really struggle to run slower than an eight minute mile, because it means slowing down my cadence, which really takes a lot out of my joints - actually one of the reasons I'm interested in doing trail running, because it'll be less severe running offroad than on concrete - so I imagine I'd probably have to work on changing my style of running for the longer distances.
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Not something I have noticed tbh....My normal training speed is around 7 min to 7.50 ish depending on length of the run (usually run 2 x 11 miles to and from work).....Half marathon speed 6.32 average. Running at 9 and 10 minute miles just feels like doing warm up miles, well for the first 3o or 40 anyhow.....After 50 miles then 9 or 10 minute miles feel like what i am capable of. TBH it is the time on your feet that eventually causes fatigue be it at 9 minute miles or at walking pace...Walk for 12+ hours and it will get uncomfortable but you could keep doing it :)
 
i'm entered in my first ultra in oct, the round ripon ultra. it's 35 miles which sounds a good starter. i'm also intending to run my first 50 miler in 2015, the highland fling.
i thought about the hardmoors 55 but the cut offs seem tough.
there are some great youtube stuff of 100 milers. john kynaston is a star!
bagpuss, what shoes and racepAck/hydration do you use?
 
leyburnrunner said:
i'm entered in my first ultra in oct, the round ripon ultra. it's 35 miles which sounds a good starter. i'm also intending to run my first 50 miler in 2015, the highland fling.
i thought about the hardmoors 55 but the cut offs seem tough.
there are some great youtube stuff of 100 milers. john kynaston is a star!
bagpuss, what shoes and racepAck/hydration do you use?
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I know John well as we race Hardmoors together and are quite similar in our pacing and training. He rocked up half way through the C2C to say hello to us which was class...At the moment I use the S-lab 12 Hydration pack with the collapsible bottles.....On anything 50 miles + I alternate 500ml of water with 500ml of electrolyte drink like Powerade as low salt levels etc is the biggest killer in long races. Lots of water with not enough salt is potentially dangerous (fatal) so important you continue to take salt on at every opportunity (each shit loads of crisps etc at aid stations if you can).....Running in the Hoka Trail Stinson which are outstanding for the long stuff....Look like clown shoes but believe me the difference on your feet is amazing. The cut offs are not generous at Hardmoors but so long as you stay on the move you will beat them (John Steele tends not to be 100% strict on them anyway). The only way most people would miss the cut offs is getting stuck in aid stations for too long.....I used to do this when I first ran ultras, 20 mins here, 10 mins there and before you know it you have killed 60 or 70 mins doing nowt.....Now just in, grab what I want and eat on the move. Even if you are just walking then in that 20 mins you have done in another mile and a quarter. Crewed at the West Highland Way for a pal last year and would deffo recommend anything on that course like the fling, the course is stunning....Good luck with your training fella, the sense of achievement when you finish that 50 will blow your mind :cool:
 
Bagpuss said:
I know John well as we race Hardmoors together and are quite similar in our pacing and training. He rocked up half way through the C2C to say hello to us which was class...At the moment I use the S-lab 12 Hydration pack with the collapsible bottles.....On anything 50 miles + I alternate 500ml of water with 500ml of electrolyte drink like Powerade as low salt levels etc is the biggest killer in long races. Lots of water with not enough salt is potentially dangerous (fatal) so important you continue to take salt on at every opportunity (each shit loads of crisps etc at aid stations if you can).....Running in the Hoka Trail Stinson which are outstanding for the long stuff....Look like clown shoes but believe me the difference on your feet is amazing. The cut offs are not generous at Hardmoors but so long as you stay on the move you will beat them (John Steele tends not to be 100% strict on them anyway). The only way most people would miss the cut offs is getting stuck in aid stations for too long.....I used to do this when I first ran ultras, 20 mins here, 10 mins there and before you know it you have killed 60 or 70 mins doing nowt.....Now just in, grab what I want and eat on the move. Even if you are just walking then in that 20 mins you have done in another mile and a quarter. Crewed at the West Highland Way for a pal last year and would deffo recommend anything on that course like the fling, the course is stunning....Good luck with your training fella, the sense of achievement when you finish that 50 will blow your mind :cool:
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thanks for that. i'll likely have to wait till my birthday for some hoka's and one of those ultimate direction race vests.
read a good blog on what's the toughest, HM55 or lakeland 50 and whilst lakeland has way more climb the blogger reckoned the HM RD must be a sadist with cut offs that push you hard whilst the iconic lakeland race can be run slower. i've run in some of jon steele's runs, always seem to be lots of steps and overdistance! fantastic races though.
 
leyburnrunner said:
thanks for that. i'll likely have to wait till my birthday for some hoka's and one of those ultimate direction race vests.
read a good blog on what's the toughest, HM55 or lakeland 50 and whilst lakeland has way more climb the blogger reckoned the HM RD must be a sadist with cut offs that push you hard whilst the iconic lakeland race can be run slower. i've run in some of jon steele's runs, always seem to be lots of steps and overdistance! fantastic races though.
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I think that blog is Neil Bennets and yes from memory he said the 55 was harder due to cut offs :)
 
marathon on Sunday. Will be trying to pace myself at my target 50k speed for that distance in october. Might even try a couple of miles jog after I am finished!

Then out with friends on sunday afternoon and evening for drinks. Might not be in the best shape on Monday.
 
3.142 said:
marathon on Sunday. Will be trying to pace myself at my target 50k speed for that distance in october. Might even try a couple of miles jog after I am finished!

Then out with friends on sunday afternoon and evening for drinks. Might not be in the best shape on Monday.
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Which marathon?
 
20 miler done this morning got pissed on the last three miles but managed it didnt feel too bad at the end of it although legs a bit stiff and tired as I tried to walk home.
 
D.A said:
Good luck mate
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What a donkey. Showed up right on time for the 10am start this morning, surprised at how quiet it was. Wandered round for 5-10 mins then reality struck. The race was yesterday.

Decided I'd take on the route anyway (or at least most of it) and ended up doing 23.5 miles in 3:01 for 7:40 pace. Quite happy with that as I haven't done any >20 mile runs in training for this one and it was essentially on my own and I didn't have much fluids to take on the way as I'd expected to get them on course with the race.

Note to self. Next time check the date more closely.
 
3.142 said:
What a donkey. Showed up right on time for the 10am start this morning, surprised at how quiet it was. Wandered round for 5-10 mins then reality struck. The race was yesterday.

Decided I'd take on the route anyway (or at least most of it) and ended up doing 23.5 miles in 3:01 for 7:40 pace. Quite happy with that as I haven't done any >20 mile runs in training for this one and it was essentially on my own and I didn't have much fluids to take on the way as I'd expected to get them on course with the race.

Note to self. Next time check the date more closely.
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hah! i ran the HM ( on the SATURDAY!)
 
Had a week off due to one thing and another and starting to feel the withdrawal now. Gonna get back out tomorrow and aim for a big 8 days while I'm off work and try and get some decent miles clocked up.
 
just starting back up again this week mate, very gradual, 15mins only twice a week, on grass.... want to wear some decent compression socks and the more mile ones I got are pretty rubbish , loadsa brands out there but unsure which ones are decent - your mate Kevin-O always wears compressions ive noticed, any idea what brand he uses ? unsure what difference is between calf guards and compression socks
 
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