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El Matador said:
Certainly not one piece of wreckage or flotsam !! This i do find incredible. I can only assume it was put down on the Southern Ocean without anything being lost, sank to the bottom as a whole complete plane and is just sitting there waiting to be found.
Does anyone know what sort of pressures would be applied to the plane 4,500 metres down ? Would the plane rupture ? Implode ?
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:lol:

It would be crushed like a empty coke can under a fatty.

The chances of this happening though are close to zero. No chance of it ditching complete and sinking.

The whole thing stinks of shit.
 


El Matador said:
What do you reckon may explain the complete lack of wreckage or flotsam ?
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The currents in the South Indian Ocean are some of the strongest in the world. Between one and two metres per second in unpredictable and volatile patterns. There were ten days between the plane going missing and the search focussing on the Indian Ocean, so any debris could have been 500 miles from the crash site by then, and now it’s a further month so it could be thousands of miles away in any direction, and there's loads of other junk bobbing about in the area.

A lot of whatever was light enough to float after the initial impact would have become waterlogged and sunk relatively quickly anyway. I don’t find the absence of debris in any way surprising. Comparing the search for wreckage with looking for a needle in a haystack doesn't do it justice, it's more like searching for a needle in acres of haystacks which keep being shuffled about, without actually being sure the needle is still there.
 
El Matador said:
Certainly not one piece of wreckage or flotsam !! This i do find incredible. I can only assume it was put down on the Southern Ocean without anything being lost, sank to the bottom as a whole complete plane and is just sitting there waiting to be found.
Does anyone know what sort of pressures would be applied to the plane 4,500 metres down ? Would the plane rupture ? Implode ?
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The crash into the Hudson River saw that plane come down in tact. It is possible.
 
Occam's Razor said:
The currents in the South Indian Ocean are some of the strongest in the world. Between one and two metres per second in unpredictable and volatile patterns. There were ten days between the plane going missing and the search focussing on the Indian Ocean, so any debris could have been 500 miles from the crash site by then, and now it’s a further month so it could be thousands of miles away in any direction, and there's loads of other junk bobbing about in the area.

A lot of whatever was light enough to float after the initial impact would have become waterlogged and sunk relatively quickly anyway. I don’t find the absence of debris in any way surprising. Comparing the search for wreckage with looking for a needle in a haystack doesn't do it justice, it's more like searching for a needle in acres of haystacks which keep being shuffled about, without actually being sure the needle is still there.
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I understand the vastness of the Southern Ocean and the complexity of the currents but given that an approximate site is supposedly now known and knowledge of the currents exists then i am surprised with the use of technological prediction that areas of interest have not been identified. The Air France debris was located within five days in the middle of the Atlantic after they got an approximate crashsite in similar treacherous seas. Do life jackets and cushions sink ? Bodies eventually float.
Any idea about the effects of pressure on the plane at 4,500 metres ? Would it rupture ?

stevebrucehasason said:
The crash into the Hudson River saw that plane come down in tact. It is possible.
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I don't think you can compare in any way whatsoever a plane being put down on the Hudson River in fine conditions with putting down a plane in the enormous Southern Seas. In the highly unlikely event that it was put down in one piece then why did the people not get out as happened at the Hudson River ?
 
El Matador said:
I understand the vastness of the Southern Ocean and the complexity of the currents but given that an approximate site is supposedly now known and knowledge of the currents exists then i am surprised with the use of technological prediction that areas of interest have not been identified. The Air France debris was located within five days in the middle of the Atlantic after they got an approximate crashsite in similar treacherous seas. Do life jackets and cushions sink ? Bodies eventually float.
Any idea about the effects of pressure on the plane at 4,500 metres ? Would it rupture ?
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The time between the Air France plane disappearing and the first debris being spotted was less than 36 hours. In contrast to the Malaysian flight there was immediately an accurate idea of where the crash site was. It still took them two years to find most of the fuselage, which had sunk; a lot of bodies were only recovered with this wreckage. The Air France plane seems to have hit the water on its belly and broken up into sizeable parts. In the cases of planes which hit the water close to vertically they get almost obliterated into very small pieces. EgyptAir 990 and Swissair 111 did so and the pieces of debris were much smaller. In both cases no bodies were found and identification was only possible via DNA from fragments recovered with the sunken wreckage.
 
Occam's Razor said:
The time between the Air France plane disappearing and the first debris being spotted was less than 36 hours. In contrast to the Malaysian flight there was immediately an accurate idea of where the crash site was. It still took them two years to find most of the fuselage, which had sunk; a lot of bodies were only recovered with this wreckage. The Air France plane seems to have hit the water on its belly and broken up into sizeable parts. In the cases of planes which hit the water close to vertically they get almost obliterated into very small pieces. EgyptAir 990 and Swissair 111 did so and the pieces of debris were much smaller. In both cases no bodies were found and identification was only possible via DNA from fragments recovered with the sunken wreckage.
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In all three of the crashes you refer to debris was found on the surface. For the Malaysian flight there hasn't been as much as a cocktail stick found so far. No life jackets, seats, cushions, nada.
 
El Matador said:
In all three of the crashes you refer to debris was found on the surface. For the Malaysian flight there hasn't been as much as a cocktail stick found so far. No life jackets, seats, cushions, nada.
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Aye, but in all three examples the authorities immediately had a very narrow area to search where they knew the planes had crashed, and were there within a matter of hours. In this case it was ten days before they even shifted the search to the Indian Ocean, to a comparatively vast area of remote and hostile seas, with no clear idea of where to look. Ten days for debris to become waterlogged and sink, ten days for very small pieces to disperse across a massive expanse of rubbish strewn ocean, and they've moved the area they're concentrating on at least twice since then. I do think a lot of people are completely underestimating the logistics involved in finding tiny bits of plane somewhere in the middle of hundreds of thousands of square miles of an unpredictable ocean. Again, the lack of debris has not surprised me in the slightest.
 
Occam's Razor said:
Aye, but in all three examples the authorities immediately had a very narrow area to search where they knew the planes had crashed, and were there within a matter of hours. In this case it was ten days before they even shifted the search to the Indian Ocean, to a comparatively vast area of remote and hostile seas, with no clear idea of where to look. Ten days for debris to become waterlogged and sink, ten days for very small pieces to disperse across a massive expanse of rubbish strewn ocean, and they've moved the area they're concentrating on at least twice since then. I do think a lot of people are completely underestimating the logistics involved in finding tiny bits of plane somewhere in the middle of hundreds of thousands of square miles of an unpredictable ocean. Again, the lack of debris has not surprised me in the slightest.
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Fair enough, i have said a few times on the thread that i do think i understand the vastness of the ocean and the task. I'd be surprised if life jackets got waterlogged and sank mind. Seats, cushions, luggage, curtains and other materials, less so.
 
Today another Malaysian Airlines 737 has had to make an emergency landing after its landing gear had serious issues

MH370 seems to have died a death with media coverage with still no explanation to the world as to what has happened. Its amazing how quickly headline news disappears
 
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