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You obviously know nothing about depression if that's what you really believe. It was clear to see from the interview with Trott that he was, at best, suffering with stress and, at worst, a milder form of depression. Having been through something very similar myself a long time back I can confidently say that he was absolutely right to be sent home and was fooling no one with the reasons that were given for it, even if they weren't fully reported at the time, which was understandable given the tension that surrounded both Ashes series last year and the strong level of emotions from all quarters after that first test.Its not even f***ing depression man. Its burnout, he's said himself. Bless his cotton socks for being tired.
Stop being so f***ing precious man.
What I dont understand is how the so called experts managing whatever condition he might have can let him go through with the Sky programme and infer he did not, in fact, have any real mental issues. It just doesn't make sense.You obviously know nothing about depression if that's what you really believe. It was clear to see from the interview with Trott that he was, at best, suffering with stress and, at worst, a milder form of depression. Having been through something very similar myself a long time back I can confidently say that he was absolutely right to be sent home and was fooling no one with the reasons that were given for it, even if they weren't fully reported at the time, which was understandable given the tension that surrounded both Ashes series last year and the strong level of emotions from all quarters after that first test.
The only thing I can see that could have avoided the whole situation arising would have been if the medical staff around the England team had been aware that burn out could lead to depression, especially in someone as meticulous as Trott. If they had, they could have insisted he miss the hit and giggle series so he could have a bit of much needed rest. Whether this would have been enough, we'll never know, but it couldn't have done any harm.
Hopefully he is well on the way to recovery now and can have a good summer.
I assume you're referring to the nutcase comment. I thought that was a bit of an ill-advised comment for him to make, but his comments about how he felt throughout that first test definitely implied mental issues. He was shutting himself away from his teammates and anyone else he would come into contact with, whether he realised/realises that isn't relevant, it's a clear sign of an issue, probably one of the most obvious in fact, which begs the question, why didn't anyone else, players/management/medical staff think to raise the issue sooner?What I dont understand is how the so called experts managing whatever condition he might have can let him go through with the Sky programme and infer he did not, in fact, have any real mental issues. It just doesn't make sense.
I agree with your comment about why it wasn't picked up earlier...but my point is....now that it is known, why are they letting him go on TV to deny it ? Is there still doubt then? Are we to take his word for it (ie that he is OK)?I assume you're referring to the nutcase comment. I thought that was a bit of an ill-advised comment for him to make, but his comments about how he felt throughout that first test definitely implied mental issues. He was shutting himself away from his teammates and anyone else he would come into contact with, whether he realised/realises that isn't relevant, it's a clear sign of an issue, probably one of the most obvious in fact, which begs the question, why didn't anyone else, players/management/medical staff think to raise the issue sooner?
I didn't take the comment to be a denial that he had mental issues as such, more an ill advised comment that he wasn't mad. It was a bit of a stupid comment to make as it implied he thought people heard the words "mental health" and took it to mean madness. That's how I took it anyway, but I could be wrong.I agree with your comment about why it wasn't picked up earlier...but my point is....now that it is known, why are they letting him go on TV to deny it ? Is there still doubt then? Are we to take his word for it (ie that he is OK)?
Good points. I am no expert, but wouldn't have thought test cricket is the best environment in which to recover.I didn't take the comment to be a denial that he had mental issues as such, more an ill advised comment that he wasn't mad. It was a bit of a stupid comment to make as it implied he thought people heard the words "mental health" and took it to mean madness. That's how I took it anyway, but I could be wrong.
Your question is very relevant though, is he ready to play test cricket again? He's saying he is, but 4 months would be a very very fast turnaround after what he went through. I just hope that when/if he is selected again, he truly is ready, because only he will really know for sure.
As Michael Vaughan has said, we have been conned. Trott, or whoever advised him, led us to believe it was depression and he got all the sympathy in the world. Throwing the "depression" card around also belittles those who truly suffer. Very ordinary.
Not only was it knowingly hidden under the veil of mental illness, but the ECB also took Warner to task and demanded an apology for him saying Trott was a bottler, which it turns out was exactly the case
Someone out of Trott or the ECB, or both, pretended that a serious illness was involved when it turns out there was nothing of the sort. That's not just a con, it's a spit in the face of people who actually have to deal with Mental Illness[DOUBLEPOST=1395066453][/DOUBLEPOST]
So he's gone off with depression or stress or whatever it was, for how long? And you think he hasn't asked a Dr, indeed been made to see one, in that time, to test for Depression? It's not like he's being muddling along in life, having to fit in a visit to the GP around a day job.
Depression is pretty black and white. Mental health isn't, but Depression is. It's not a bad day, a bad week, a bad every other day, a bad few months. those can be signs of it, but they aren't it. It gets on top of you unless you get on top of it, it's not like a bad or sad state of mind, it's a constant presence which you either combat or surrender to it. If you have it, and you don't fight it, you don't just get on with it, because you can't. It owns you unless you own it. There are lots of ways of treating it-medication, therapy, all sorts-but it's not something which requires anything less than total commitment to manage. You can't have it for any length of time and not know it. If that's all depression was, it would be no biggie. I've cared for someone for four years with it, and know a good number of other people with it.
I work for a mental health charity as well, and also have acute anxiety. It's not in my interests to be anything less than fully supportive of people with mental ill health, but by the same token it cheapens their genuine suffering and plight to make it sound like it's something which is vague and fleeting.
Think I tend to agree with this. Either that, or he's playing the macho card and trying to play down the illness, whether recovered or not.[DOUBLEPOST=1395410265][/DOUBLEPOST]I have sympathy with the guy clearly he wasnt mentally right. The worrying thing is he doesnt seem to fully understand his condition
Do you not agree that the way he is playing it down and the phrases he is using (Craczy/Nutjob) are ill advised?You obviously know nothing about depression if that's what you really believe. It was clear to see from the interview with Trott that he was, at best, suffering with stress and, at worst, a milder form of depression. Having been through something very similar myself a long time back I can confidently say that he was absolutely right to be sent home and was fooling no one with the reasons that were given for it, even if they weren't fully reported at the time, which was understandable given the tension that surrounded both Ashes series last year and the strong level of emotions from all quarters after that first test.
The only thing I can see that could have avoided the whole situation arising would have been if the medical staff around the England team had been aware that burn out could lead to depression, especially in someone as meticulous as Trott. If they had, they could have insisted he miss the hit and giggle series so he could have a bit of much needed rest. Whether this would have been enough, we'll never know, but it couldn't have done any harm.
Hopefully he is well on the way to recovery now and can have a good summer.
I agree entirely, it was a very stupid comment to make. However, I don't think the fact he made it changes the reasons that were given for him leaving the tour. What we now know is the back story that lead to him leaving.Think I tend to agree with this. Either that, or he's playing the macho card and trying to play down the illness, whether recovered or not.[DOUBLEPOST=1395410265][/DOUBLEPOST]
Do you not agree that the way he is playing it down and the phrases he is using (Craczy/Nutjob) are ill advised?
I think we are arguing over definitions of terms here . A depressive aspect can be comorbid with many diagnosed mental health conditions and indeed can be the acute result of them which comes and goes , if you like it can be the final emerging symptom and the first to calm down when recovery starts .Not only was it knowingly hidden under the veil of mental illness, but the ECB also took Warner to task and demanded an apology for him saying Trott was a bottler, which it turns out was exactly the case
Someone out of Trott or the ECB, or both, pretended that a serious illness was involved when it turns out there was nothing of the sort. That's not just a con, it's a spit in the face of people who actually have to deal with Mental Illness[DOUBLEPOST=1395066453][/DOUBLEPOST]
So he's gone off with depression or stress or whatever it was, for how long? And you think he hasn't asked a Dr, indeed been made to see one, in that time, to test for Depression? It's not like he's being muddling along in life, having to fit in a visit to the GP around a day job.
Depression is pretty black and white. Mental health isn't, but Depression is. It's not a bad day, a bad week, a bad every other day, a bad few months. those can be signs of it, but they aren't it. It gets on top of you unless you get on top of it, it's not like a bad or sad state of mind, it's a constant presence which you either combat or surrender to it. If you have it, and you don't fight it, you don't just get on with it, because you can't. It owns you unless you own it. There are lots of ways of treating it-medication, therapy, all sorts-but it's not something which requires anything less than total commitment to manage. You can't have it for any length of time and not know it. If that's all depression was, it would be no biggie. I've cared for someone for four years with it, and know a good number of other people with it.
I work for a mental health charity as well, and also have acute anxiety. It's not in my interests to be anything less than fully supportive of people with mental ill health, but by the same token it cheapens their genuine suffering and plight to make it sound like it's something which is vague and fleeting.
Yep sounds like it, it's obvious the bloke needs professional help and the ECB have been made to look fairly daft with their original statement.I said in my post he didn't understand his condition and if he relapsed again it's pretty impossible to get back. His advisors and support team should look at themselves